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. >> third, i think they are agreed on budget cuts but not which cuts. i think they are agreed now that big deal is dead so they will try to go for some small deal. i guess they're there but it's clear mitch mcconnell is concerned that the republicans in the house can't get anything through. >> well, then i don't think they're dead. your hopes of them all agreeing on the three things you named as you said, you don't know if it can get through the house. a house divided cannot stand for america, pat. richard, what is your reading? ? the republicans can't get it together and the people who may pay for this is the american public? >> before we get there reverend, i want to pick up on something pat said. if there were any kind of tax increase at all republicans would be finished. let's look at the polls. recent gallup polls suggest that only one in five american voters think that this deficit crisis needs to be dealt with, with spending cuts alone. in other words, the vast majority of voters want to see a mix. now you can debate where the mix should be between spending and revenues, between cut
leaders are digging in on the big sticking point of taxes ahead of tomorrow's white house summit. chuck todd is nbc's chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown." chuck, we've heard a lot from republicans. today at the bloomberg breakfast it was said that any tax measures had to be revenue positive over the long run that could be ten years out. eventually have to contribute toward deficit reduction. that is not what republican senator john cornyn was saying exactly the opposite what he said on our show yesterday that it has to be revenue neutral. how does the president hope to bridge this devoid? >> reporter: well, you know, they have an interesting tactic here. they believe and frankly behind the scenes so do house republicans believe it will be easier to sell a larger deal that has some things in it that nobody's crazy about on certain sides. whether some trims to entitlements on the democratic side or some of these revenue proposals on the republican side that if it's a large deal, $2.5 trillion to $4 trillion and maybe even $6 trillion in the out years meaning th
to ask the big oil companies to give up one dime not one dime of their $4 billion annual subsidy. they have refused to ask big corporations to give up one dime in their corporate loopholes. what we are negotiating with is a group of people who won't compromise. a group of people who have said we want the middle class to pay more taxes so that big corporations can pay less. we want seniors to lose their medicare so that big oil companies can continue to foost on their subdis. that's what the problem is. >> the case that republicans have taken a hard line on talks, at the same time democrats are taking what sounds like a hard line on entitlements. let me read a statement from leader pelosi that says we continue to oppose benefit cuts in social security and medicare. these pillars should not be used a as piggy bank to subsidize tax cuts for the wealthy. are democrats not just as guilty of failing to compromise as republicans are in this case? >> no, absolutely not. what we have said and i think most americans would agree with this is the middle class and seniors should not be asked
with markets in a bad way. >>> and then the big tease. julie yanni w giuliani. will think of these folks get in the game? the summer of speculation. good morning, thursday, july 14, 2011, i'm chuck todd. >>> and the nbc campaign team is doing a lot of prep today. doing that behind the scenes but why not to get right to my first reads of the morning, hurdling towards the huge financial calamity. ratings agency moody's put the government on notice for a possible credit downgrade. as leaders try to broker a deal, personal relationships are breaking down. president obama and house majority leader eric cantor clashed yesterday after the president frustrated by the lack of progress, saying it was time to stop postures and get the deal done. cantor went to the press telling his version of story. cantor said, obama got very agitated seemingly and sat there long enough. and no other president, ronald reagan, wouldn't sit here and he said to me, eric, don't call my bluff. democrats dispute his version of the event. one said cantor's account of tonight's meeting is completely overblown. cantor rudely i
have a big jump in revenue. obama has been saying let's thai the bush tax cuts are going to lapse and we are going to extend the ones for the middle class. republicans are afraid to let him do that up front. it would kill momentum for a tax reform. >> but, but, but why just get rid of the bush tax cuts. if they are so awful, why not get rid of all of them. get rid of all of them for everybody. if tax cuts are the worst thing ever, the bush tax cuts, get rid of the bush tax cuts for everybody and raise billions in revenue. >> right. i think we could probably figure it out sitting around the table. i don't think it's that difficult. they are locked in in political terms. it's a much different issue to them. you can make rational compromises and deals here. the problem is, how do they do it. what's happening is they are at the point where they realize the consequences. at some point, they realize they have to do something other than hold the ground saying this is it. we're not going to change anything. we are at that point and we have little time to work with. >> howard dean, look wh
planned recess next week for the 4th of july. >> mitch mcconnell making a big deal of inviting the president for a chat with no notice with the knowledge he already had plans. >> the president said he wasn't going to change his plaque plans to meet with mitch mcconnell. >> he also invited the president to hear what would not pass. >> is it logic? the republicans are not big on logic. >> if they don't this time, the full faith and credit of the u.s. will be in peril. >> if we don't do that -- wait, what happens again? >> armageddon. >> armageddon. >> armageddon. >> democrats are saying yes to michele bachmann. >> i'm not surprised by how well michele bachmann has done. she comes across as a real person. >> real human moments. very compelling to voters. >> obama's got some magic. >> with the wink and a hug, she's made the majority of the gop field disappear. >> king james called napoleon and together decided to kill america. they sent the nina, pina, and santa maria to fight. >>> and yes to stephen colbert. >> i'm sorry to say, ladies and gentlemen, we won! [ applause ] >> it's s
. >> and i will see you on monday. our show begins. show begins right now. >>> well, the big story today, debt-struction. a lot of political shenanigans, developments coming fast and furious,y might expect this afternoon. widely, the markets are expecting a deal of some findish even if it's a band thade doesn't do much. we'll see what it mean. good afternoon. i'm dylan ratigan. a mass of house votes on yet another revised version of speaker boehner's deal. all of these deal, lick nickels and -- the final vote won't come until later tonight if boehner can whip up the 216 votes to do the deal. couldn't do it yesterday. we start with luke rurt on capitol hill. mike viqueira on standby at the white house. we begin with you, luke. tell me about a tea party politician who ran for the congress in objection to the back room arm twisting where i say i'll take away funding for the bridge, the sochool, the hospital if you don't vote on this? people wouldn't tolerate that and i imagine they're saying i'll withdraw your funding if you don't say yes on this vote? >> the house gop banned earmarks. were
>>> the big story today, money talks. i'm matt milner for dylan ratigan. you'll be shocked. no magic the fix out of today's bipartisan sitdown at the white house. more agreeing to disagree for now. >> nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to and the parties still far apart on a wide range of issues. everybody acknowledged that there's going to be pain involved politically on all sides. >> still, the president hinting at subtle signs of progress. now pushing to double the size of proposed spending cuts to $4 trillion over ten years. democrat and republican leaders will work through the weekend and meet with president obama again on sunday. areas of potential xpra mize, closing loopholes in the tax code if it doesn't sound like a tax code and changing yearly adjustments for social security. yes, social security is back on the table. though the white house says their only goal, "strengthen the program." keep in mind the august 2nd august debt ceiling deadline is less than four weeks away. mike viqueira is live on the lawn of the white house. what if anything was acco
are loop hoeholing loopholings. >> shouldn't they hold firm, democrats, on this. >> this is a big step forward for john cornyn, one of the big leaders in the -- a leader in the republican senate campaign committee to suggest they're open to the idea if not in the intermediate term closing loopholes is an important first step. it suggests that you can win some of your concessions you want here. if you're going to take drastic steps to reform medicare and medicaid and social security, which i agree we should, you should also hold firm to say that some are going to have their taxes changed. if the middle class and the people below the middle class are going to make sacrifices, and all americans should. people on the upper oechend sho as well. hopefully they'll agree to a corporate tax cut and hopefully doing something incentivize businesses hiring going forward. >> we got some great segment ms ahead. and must reads. the tax issue hurts it economy to deal with this a little bit and get what the democrats want on this. i don't think it does. >> i want patrick to explain this. he never quite
a lot to talk about. big news over the budget and deficit reduction. president obama is rejecting calls for a short-term hike. he made a rare appearance in the press room. he's challenging them to seize the moment and cut a deal. >> i don't think the american people here sent us here to avoid tough problems. it's, in fact, what drives them nuts about washington. when both parties simply take the path of least resistance. i don't want to do that here. i believe right now, we have a unique opportunity to do something big. to tackle our deficit in a way that forces our government to live within our means. still allows us to invest in that future. >> all right. sounds good. sounds hopeful, it does. maybe something will get done, like everyone is going to come in. less than an hour after the president's invitation, john boehner missed the discussions saying a deal won't pass in the house, if it includes tax increases. he said, i'm happy to discuss the issues at the white house, but the discussions are fruitless until the president recognizes economic and legislative reality. >> that doesn't
that she could catch fire. look, when you start this thing, when you win iowa, if you win iowa big, that thing starts rolling through new hampshire and south carolina, it's over in weeks. i agree 100%. >> how was she going in philadelphia suburbs? how is she going to do in the i-4 corridor and in wisconsin? how is she going to do in new mexico, arizona? i would suggest, with swing voters not well at all. >> there's no doubt if you nominate michele bachmann, it's an enormous risk. the only conditions, i think, under which i believe she could win the presidency, if people say, if they did in 1980, i don't care, i'm taking a chance with this guy because what we got we can't stand, you get 9% or 10% unemployment, two more years, this country is ready for a lot of change. more "morning joe" in a moment. with the hotels.com 48-hour sale, the possibilities are endless. interesting... save up to 50% this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart.  finally, there's a choice for my patients with an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not cause
. how exciting. >> they match. >> they do match. >> the big news of the day, yesterday, of course, was moody's coming out and saying, listen, we don't expect this to happ happen. the chances are slight this is going to happen. just the chance it may happen, we are going to downgrade america's credit rating. >> we are going to put it on credit watch to downgrade it or we will downgrade it if it happens. first of all, the rating agencies were behind the curve during the whole financial crisis and they took a lot of heat for that. now they are trying to be more proactive. when you have a congress that refuses to address the issue, what do they do? it's not a shocker. it's another symbol of how dysfunctional things are in washington and what the stakes are and how dangerous it is. you know a few people across the globe. >> i like it when mika says it better. >> say international financeer. >> i would think these are trying times for banks across the world. look at ireland a second time. it's spread to italy. we have all heard -- greece, portugal. it's all across europe. it's coming to
this thing? this big cut, cap and balance has nothing in it. i had a hunch it wouldn't be in there. i did something that nobody is doing in your house, in the republican side, reading it. there are no cuts here. where are the cuts? >> senator coburj introduced a plan -- >> it's not the coburn plan. it's the bumper sticker. >> the house has a plan. >> why do you keep saying this? >> chris, chris -- >> have you read it? >> no, i haven't read it. >> how do you know there's something in there -- i'm reading it right now and -- >> at least you're holding on to something. this is the president's plan. it's vapor, there is no plan, because there's no leadership. >> todd, the president's plan outlines $4 trillion in cuts over the -- >> there is no plan. >> that was a hostage video, and he is being held hostage by the tea party republicans. >>> let's go to the outlet pass as they say in football. president clinton has weighed in. he writes, quote, clinton says he would invoke the so-called constitutional option to raise the nation's debt ceiling, quote, without hesitation and force the courts to s
's an empty piece of paper and you're bragging about this thing? this big cut cap and balance has nothing in it, and i was amazed. i had a hunch it wouldn't be there. got copy of it. actually did something nobody dmog your house, in the republican side, reading it. there are no cuts here. where are the cuts? it doesn't say anything. go ahead. >> senator coburn introduced a plan that was extraordinarily detailed. >> it's not coburn plan, todd. >> it's the bumper sticker being voted on. >> the house has plan. coburn has a plan. >> have you read this, todd? have you read this? have you read it? >> no, i haven't read it. >> how do you know you're saying there's something in here and i'm reading it. >> at least you're holding on to something. this is the president's plan. right here. this is it. nothing. it's vapor. there is no plan, because there's no leadership. period. >> the president's plan outlines $4 trillion in cuts. >> there is no plan. >> to the speaker's credit, she being held hostage by tea party republicans. >> let's go to the outlet as they say in football. the outlet pass. forme
the battle on a short term debt ceiling because we can't put together a big one in one week's time. and you noticed the president had no statement in there, "i will veto a short-term debt ceiling." what happened to that? >> he didn't have that. i was wondering if you would allow if you ear in the president's position or advisor, you advised many presidents before. would you not tell him to stand up to his opponents? >> i would not tell the president of the united states to veto a short term debt ceiling. if, as a result, i'm going to throw my country into default over what? the president is willing to accept a clean debt ceiling with nothing. now boehner is going to give a debt ceiling with $1 trillion in cuts. why would he reject the good because it's not the best? >> my advice -- i think, pat, we've had this discussion on the show. pat and i sparred a bit in the last two weeks. i think pat, unfortunately, for the democrats standpoint is right. i don't mean you're right. you're more right this morning than wrong. if the president has to accept a short term plan which is looking more and mo
this theater for however long it's been now really pumps it up. i never thought there was going to be a big deficit or debt reduction deal between the two parties because it's not in the interest of either party. i think the republicans were tactically terrible because they allowed obama to sort of portray himself or present himself as the one who is above the fray and who is interested in making the most cuts to the budget and to the debt going forward. and then making it appear, not appear but it's true, the republicans are walking away from a real deal to cut spending in this country. also, it gave obama and the democrats a chance to spotlight the republicans position on taxes. there's no way to get a handle on budget deficits over the long term debt without raising somebody's taxes. >> if this is raising the white flag, if this is going against the base, what is the difference between this and cutting a deal on tax loopholes and other things that would not impact their message overall. what makes this better? >> this is horrible. >> it's stupid. >> it's a nightmare. it's cynical. the se
. >> whether you get the big or not, you know this won't pass the senate. >> i don't know if it will or won't. >> do you believe we should raise the ceiling? yes or no. >> if the senate is responsibility, then cut, cap and balance will pass. >> let me ask you a question -- do you agree with the president that we need to raise the ceiling, president obama? >> i will vote to raise the debt ceiling if we address the long-term issue of federal insolvency caused by -- if we do not address the long-term issue, the risk associated with piling on higher and higher debt loads, if we don't address that, then, no, sir, i will not vote for the debt ceiling. >> ronald railinger, who was someone i'm sure you admire, let me show you what he said about the dead ceiling, maybe you should tell your colleagues this. >> i'm familiar with this quote. >> congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. this brinksmanship threatens the holders of government bonds, those who rely on associate security and vet ran benefits. the united states has a special responsi
. if you are going to rule out medicare now and say yeah, we are going to make big cuts but rule out medicare. that means democrats are focusing on 10%, discretionary spending that is our investments, r & d, education, infrastructure. the things we need to double and triple down on. the things we can afford to do in trying to catch up with china if we take care of the long-term structural debt on taxes, on health care and these other issues. >> yeah, we talked about the fact our health care system is at least 50% more expensive procedure by procedure than any other place in the world. we have this grip on a lot of the health care sector. we need health care reform. this is obvious. but it's been obvious for years. they don't do it on either side. >> coming up, connecticut governor dannel mall low. >> he's going to yell at you. >> i think he's in for a fight, yeah. yeah. >> mika is mad. she's not putting up with it anymore. >> this is incredible. sexual assault allegations against strauss-kahn. why it's on the verge of collapse. >> he was in yonkers at the time. come on. >>> first, he
. the big question is there any relief in sight. alex wallace has an update. it's the duration that we're concerned about here. >> absolutely, you know if it was one or two days we could take it. we've complained but we can handle it. unfortunately we're talking about all the way through at least the end of next week having to deal with this heat and because of that we got excessive heat warns that stretch as you mentioned right in the mid-section of the country. already this morning out there for us we have very warm feel like temperatures, feels like right now this early morning in minneapolis, 91 degrees. we're only going get hotter as we get into this afternoon. sunday afternoon highs from texas all the way to the northern plains, triple-digit heat, rapid city dealing with that. once we work our way into monday, working with 100 in oklahoma city and start to to see some of this heat begin to spread its way to the east. some areas that are not too bad by the end of the week will feel pretty hot in a lot of those areas. we're tracking some rain. much needed rain along the gulf coast.
that it isn't that big of a deal have made themselves look pri instrahan gent. if we do go to doomsday on this, the hope is people that get blamed will be the republicans. >> that's option 2. that's default. i've given you two options. >> it's not default if we don't stop sending out the checks. if we keep sending out the checks, it's not default. we didn't default in '95. we just got near to it. >> does the president then say, okay, i'll agree to the republican plan? what's the third option besides default and defeat? how does he force his point of view, which is a reasonable balance, two or three to one, spending cuts to revenue hikes. >> i have no idea. i should say they're talking four or five to one. >> how do we get to there then? >> he can't. on his own we simply cannot. we live in a country, the constitution, the constitution has ultimate power. a lot of people think he could ignore them by asserting constitutional authority, but that is really dependent on the supreme court. >> am i right that it depends on one man, john boehner, speaker of the house, will have to deliver the votes he
guns on something he's done his entire presidency, which is when there's a big bill that needs to get through congress, whether health care, whether the stimulus or whether this, he lets congress handle the details. he doesn't present his own legislation. he doesn't say here's my plan. let's amend from this. it's instead, trying to let's grab a piece here, let's grab a piece there. let congress do all the talking. we'll see. it is one of those debates that takes place among folks that observe this president from the outside wondering why does he keep doing it this way. who will win the battle long term? john boehner and harry reid teed up that fight yesterday. >> two groups of people from two different planets who barely understand the language of the other one. they're two remarkably different visions for what the appropriate role of the government should be in our society. how our country operates. it's stark and it would shock most americans. >> any time around here with the new tea party philosophy, they seem to think they have an all-knowing wisdom about the constitution. in shor
. there's supposedly meetings between the white house and senate and big game players later this beak. in erms the of a deal we're getting a real date, not necessarily august 2nd, but july 22nd. why? there's a ten-day period needed for the congressional budget office to score any type of compromise as well as you're going to have to sell this compromise to the members. house republicans have been steadfast they don't want any tax increases to consider any type of compromise. speaker boehner needs some time to sell that to his members. >> you're talking about political high ground. you're not talking about the substance. i want to ask you about libya. there is a procedural vote the first step on the kerry-minnesota cane resolution on libya what do you see there? >> it's around 5:30 p.m. today. it really is a procedural vote on the mccain-kerry libya resolution which says for one year the u.s. should allow -- there should be force in libya, u.s. backed force with no ground troops. to one democratic aide said they really don't know how this vote the going to come come out. there is specu
big things done, we can -- washington can still get big things done. this is about continuing to have a strong economy and continuing to compromise and take maybe a couple chapters out of tip o'neil, bob michael, ronald reagan, president clinton, people that have served in this town with distinction and gotten big things done through compromise. >> jay? >> some house republicans said that they've already compromised and that's what the boehner bill is, it is a compromise. >> well, i'm going to let jay -- >> oh, come on! >> i'm going to let jay do his job here. i'm not here to take his job. i'm here to try and put forth a message that in one of the highest unemployment sectors in the country, where we have friends and neighbors all over the country that are out of work during the construction season, they ought to go back to work. they shouldn't be held hostage. these projects shouldn't be held hostage, and we have 4,000 faa employees through no -- hardworking people that come to work every day and do their jobs. >> can you explain what the bottleneck is on the faa bill, from your pers
believes that the boehner problem is anything more than a big, wet kiss to the right wing. i mean the tea party. that's what i mean. it's too bad the caucus is run by so little people. >> when i asked the plan, the aids pointed to a speech. congress can't vote on a speech. a veto threat won't prevent default. >> we are urging the republicans to step back, put their party caucuses aside, put their pledges to grover norquist aside and put this country first. >> it's unfair from the president of the united states to lead from behind. it's unfair for the president of the united states not to come forward with a specific plan that, perhaps to be considered by both bodies, but only to go out and give lectures. >> we are not going to hold this country hostage to the tea party. those folks over there, about 80 of them, they pledged to grover norquist. i want to pledge allegiance to the united states of america. that's what we should be doing. >> good morning. it is thursday, july 28th. look at the beautiful shot of new york city. welcome to "morning joe." yes, with us on set -- >> look at him. >>
boehner and president obama are still in contact. they are still working towards an agreement. big stumbling block, taxes still in the way, martin. >> i should explain, mike, that you're inside because there's a lot of rain outside the white house today. >> another major storm, that's right. >> absolutely. >> thanks so much. >> well, now that he's walked out of debt talks with vice president biden, taken a fight to president obama and clashed with speaker boehner, is there any compromise that will sit with house majority leader eric cantor? nbc's luke russert is covering that. republicans, what are they willing to sacrifice in order to reach an agreement? got a copy of the "washington post" which liberally quotes you, but have you been able to get an answer to your question yet? >> reporter: no, and they offer two explanations as to why, martin. number one, they say that a concession republicans are making is just in fact allowing the debt ceiling to go up because that's something that's so unpopular within the house republican caucus. the popular sentiment here in washington, d.c.
, chrislhayes. rachel maddow is up next. >> any big plans? >> may light off a firework fmplgts they're illegal where you live, i won't tell anyone. >> just between you and me. >> exactly right. >>> thanks for staying with us the next hour. it is the start of a long fourth of july weekend. one of those days where if you are not on vacation already, you sort of feel like a sucker, because it feels like everybody else is on vacation. but even on a sultry friday night in july, heading into a long holiday weekends, there are two outstanding things that happened in american politics today. there is no relationship to what another whatsoever. i won't stremp and try to make one. we're going to do one of these stories and then the other. the first one is this -- >> conservatism is an act of creation and love. a love for a cherished way of life we have inherited and will bequeath to our children. conservatism is the ligation of ideology. we sent our mind to the world. not of the world to our mind. we'll move every mountain. we will meet every challenge and we will strive towards the light for the blosso
bill clinton. >>> and, casey anthony is a free woman this wednesday. was this a big fail for our justice system? or proof that it worked. >>> welcome to the show. i'm al sharpton. to nights's lead. just how much is president obama willing to compromise in the debt fight? the president obama met today with leaders of both parties at the white house. and he said, everyone must sacrifice to make a deal. >> nothing is agreed to until everything's agreed to. and the parties are still far apart on a wide range ever issues. everybody acknowledged that there is going to be pain involved politically on all sides. but our biggest obligation is to make sure that we're doing the right thing by the american people. >> but democrats are nervous that the white house may agree to as much as $4 trillion in cuts over ten years. under that plan, democrats would agree to cuts in social security, medicare, and medicaid. in return, republicans would sign off on up to a trillion dollars in new revenue. which they don't seem willing to do. >> everything is on the table except raising taxes on the americ
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